A couple weeks ago, I was listening to Tim Dog or Ultra, can’t remember which one or what song, and there seemed to be a dis aimed at De La Soul on the song I was listening to. I seem to remember reading somewhere that Keith did indeed dis De La back in the day (in a subliminal sort of way). So what do you do when you are trying to find something? You google it. That’s when this forum came up with a list of hip hop rumors and facts and other useless information. It was something quite similar that I posted back in 2006, a lot of the same rumors. We all like a good rumor and a “he said, she said”, even if we say we don’t, we like dirt. So I figured I’d jack it from said forum (I’ve had enough forums post my shit, so I don’t feel bad) and post it up for all to read. It’s one of those things if you are bored and trying to kill some time, this is the list for you to do it with ……
I added my comments below some of them. Some are obvious, and some are obvious bullshit….. -Trav
Master P, Ma$e, and Cam’Ron all had a chance to go to the NBA
(I know Master P played some CBA ball, and I’ve heard Cam’Ron was a baller, whether he had a shot to be in the NBA, can’t confirm or deny that)
Nelly had a chance to be in the MLB
Biggie, Jay-Z, and Busta Rhymes went to the same highschool in Brooklyn
Every rapper in State Property other than Young Chris is Muslim
(Well, Freeway is for sure…)
Jadakiss bought one of Cam’Ron’s Beamers off E-Bay
Kurupt got his deal for Death Row after he battled Snoop in the street… (right after Deep Cover came out) Snoop introduced him to Dre and at Dre’s home, he had to freestyle… if Dre wasn’t impressed, he was getting tossed in the pool…
(Didn’t read any of this in the Death Row/Dre books I’ve read)
Chino XL is a member of MENSA
Q-Tip wrote Phife Dawg’s rhymes on People’s Instinctive Travels on the Paths of Rhythm…
(Phife has admitted to not being totally into the idea of being a MC and being more into drinking and partying in those early ATCQ days. I haven’t heard for sure if Tip wrote his rhymes though. I would tend believe it since Phife’s rhymes seem a lot different on Instinctive Travels…. than on Low End Theory)
Sauce money wrote Puffy’s “I’ll Be Missing You”
Eminem used to sound like AZ when he rhymed
(I would imagine this is a matter of opinion, but some of the early stuff before that first EP that I’ve heard, I can see it)
Rhazel and Grandmaster Flash are cousins
Canibus admitted that he had never smoked marijuana in his life. (Courtesy of Rolling Stones – November 13, 2002)
Immortal Technique was born in a military base.
(Heard this more than once, and I’m pretty sure I’ve read an interview that had him saying this)
50 Cent lived on the same street as Ja Rule
Big visited Pac in hospital after the 94 shooting
(I think this is in the Vibe issue when Pac talks about that incident)
There was a Hip Hop album with the title “The Black Album” which was made by Producer No ID
Pharoahe Monch used to be over weight, he also has Asthma
(watch any video for any song off of the first Organized Konfusion LP, doesn’t even look like the same dude. And I’m pretty sure I read in an interview, the one which he was discussing his past weight, right before Internal Affairs dropped, where he mentioned his asthmatic condition)
Nas wrote NY State Of Mind when he was 17
Suge was the DOC and Bobby Brown’s bodyguard. He got the ends and outs of the music business from DOC
(Seems to me that he was more of a manager for DOC than a bodyguard)
Yeah Ashanti is in the “MC’s Act Like They Don’t Know” video
At one point, every single rap label warned their artists: “never publicly mention the Wu Tang Clan”
Ghostface beat up Mase causing him to have his jaw wired
(Heard this one before, but never confirmed it)
Jayz and Busta Rhymes attended the same high school and once battled in a hallway (Busta Rhymes lost and he was an upperclassman)
Jermaine Dupri was the youngest producer ever to go platinum
Eazy E had dinner with George Bush
(True, it was some Republican fund raiser. I can’t remember the specifics on how he got invited, but E did it for the publicity mainly….and it worked)
Snoop Dogg went to school with Camron Diaz
Esham, a pioneer in horrorcore rap in Detroit, wrote some of the most vicious diss tracks to Eminem….response was Bizzare sending Esham to the hospital with a ruptured eyeball, a mild concussion and loss of hearing in his left ear…
(Not sure, but I know there was bad blood between Em and Esham)
We all know The Notorious B.I.G. was killed in Los Angeles on March 9, 1997. But, ironically, Biggie shouldn’t have been in L.A. that weekend. Big, who’d been in L.A. since early February ’97 promoting his ‘Life After Death’ album, was supposed to hop a flight to London on Friday, March 7, 1997, to continue his promotional junket. Biggie canceled his flight, and chose to remain in L.A. that weekend. He enjoyed the sunshine too much, and didn’t want to leave it behind to go to an overcast London. Plus, he disliked European food. It may seem trite, but it’s true. If Biggie had gotten on that flight on March 7th, he might still be with us.
(True. Not sure about the London part, but I know, or that’s the info that I’ve read, he was supposed to leave earlier in the week)
Mase had a million dollar contract (I think he was the first rapper, to get that).
Kool Keith & DMX used to collects bugs.
Dmx used to stand for “Divine Master of the Unknown” (he should had kept that meaning)
Krazyzie Bone is a Jehovah Witness
(Heard this before)
Dre didn’t like Snoop’s raps, when he first heard them.
Just Blaze got into producing, mostly to buy videogames.
Neptunes got some influence from old Atari’s music/sfx.
(I can see the early connection)
LL Cool J wanted to do a song with ODB. But when ODB got to the studio. He rip off one of LL’s plaques & pissed on it. Which made LL mad & got security on him.
(I’ve heard this more than once. I think they may have even mentioned it on Yo! MTV Raps once)
MC Hammer dissed Redman in one of his songs.
(On the Funky Headhunter album, he dissed a bunch of people, ATCQ, Dres from Black Sheep, of course Serch and Pete Nice, Vanilla Ice, just about anybody that had dissed him in the past)
Bad Azz was Snoop’s ghostwriter.
(I don’t buy it)
Jay Z ghostwritten Dre’s verse on “Forgot About Dre”
(True, I think it’s on the credits)
Ras Kass use to battle Snoop in High School
Ras Kass’s baby mother is recording artist Teedra Moses, who he helped get a deal
Lil Kim was at one time pregnant by BIG but had a miscarriage. She also use to transport drugs on the bus system for him.
(Heard this rumor before, the transporting one at least)
Da Brat was the first female Hip Hop artist to go platinum
(True, solo that is)
Eminem once battled Juice in the Rap Olympics and lost to him coming in 2nd and saying it was rigged/favoritism. Juice was the reason Em was at the Rap Olympics through invitation.
(I’ve heard variations of this story. It was the Rap Olympics, of course, that Dre discovered Em and I know he finished second)
Immortal Technique battled Poster Boy on 106 and Park and lost. Immortal Technique who use to battle in all of the underground battle circuits also battled Slug from Atmosphere and a few other well known underground battle mcs.
After Chino XL recorded the track 3 to the Dome for Sway and Tech with him, Kool G Rap and Kane, Kool G threw away his rhymes and Chino went into the trash and took the crumpled out rhyme out and kept it because he was such a big fan of Kool G.
Eminem was supposed to be signed to Duck Down BEFORE signing with Dre and Aftermath, but Dru Ha decided not to sign him (the rumor is because he did not want to chance singing a white artist).
(There was Soundbombing 2….)
Ghostface use to wear a mask earlier in the Wu’s career because he was really on the run from the police and took off the mask once his name got cleared.
The original version of Interview with A Vampire written by Ras Kass was about a 12 minute song and was chopped down to the 7 minute song recorded on Rasasssination.
(I’ve heard this multiple times)
Ice T use to be a REAL street pimp and hustler at one time before becoming a rapper.
(Yes, true and true)
MC Hammer had to be restrained by Russell Simmons because he was going to attempt to beat down MC Serch after giving him the Gas Face on the song Gas Face.
(I haven’t heard this before. I had heard that he had a hit out on the 3rd Bass duo)
Q-Tip and Janet Jackson have had a love interest in a long time, but remain friends. That is why Q-tip got the part as her slain boyfriend in Poetic Justice.
In Poetic Justice…2pac was supposed to have an extensive sex scene with Janet Jackson, but it was not shot when Pac refused to get an HIV test.
(It’s in a Vibe interview somewhere)
Puffy directed Outkast’s Player’s Ball and Southernplayalisticadillac***** videos
Nore did time for murder when he was a juvenile.
Snoop named “The Chronic”. Dre didn’t start smoking weed until he met Snoop, contrary to popular belief, he wasn’t lying when he said “I don’t smoke weed or cess”, because at the time he didn’t.
(Heard this before, but not sure I buy it)
Keith Murray and Prodigy had a physical altercation about 10 years ago.
(This has been discussed before, all the stories differ)
You know that Biggie and Nas were hyped in 94 as the saviors of NY. Well supposedly they were on some tour and Nas began freestyling while they were drunk or something. Biggie fell asleep and then woke up and Nas was still going!
After recording Ready To Die Big learned to keep his lines in his head without writing them. This was a technique he taught Jay while Jay was doing Reasonable Doubt, then Jay eventually taught Ja Rule. None of them actually write lyrics.
(I hadn’t heard that about Ja Rule, but it’s been documented that Jay and Big practiced this)
When Big was doing “Notorious Thugs” he wanted to practice his Bone Thugs-ish flow without being embarrassed so he sent everyone out of the room while he practiced by himself…
Big wrote all the lyrics for Junior Mafia’s Conspiracy minus a couple Lil Kim verses….
(I have heard he had a lot to do with the album, not sure he did all of the verses though)
Nas, Jay and Mad Skillz were known in the early-to-mid-90s as the industries biggest ghostwriters….
Mos Def was originally on BET’s Teen Summit
That Order Of Protection against Murder Inc from 50 does exist but it wasn’t 50 who asked for it, it was court mandated. Supposedly they didn’t even have to tell 50 they had made it, so he truly may have never known.
Ron Artest grew up in the same Queensbridge housing projects that Nas, MC Shan, Havoc, and others did. If you look for him you can see him in various QB-related artists’ videos.
After Nature’s “Nas Is Not” single began circulating, Nature was reportedly beat down by Nas’ brother Jungle and his friends…
Supposedly Jungle and Lake also got Prodigy his chain back after he had been robbed…
(Lake is reportedly a bad dude, so could be true)
Also supposedly, Fat Joe and Big Pun had developed a rivalry with Jay Z way back in 98. They supposedly got into it at a club and Pun smashed a bottle of champagne or some wine over Jay’s head…
(This rumor has been circulating for years)
The Neptunes used to ghostproduce for Teddy Riley, they produced SWV’s “Right Here” with Pharrell singing backup vocals
Timbaland used to ghostproduce sorta – sometimes he’d get credit, sometimes he didn’t – for DeVante Swing of Jodeci….
Timbaland and Ginuwine used to be in a group on Devante’s label called Da Bassment, if you look for the Nutty Professor Soundtrack they have a cover of Ready for the World’s “Love You Down”
Missy was in another group on Devante’s label called Sista, they had a song on the Dangerous Minds Soundtrack….
Lil Wayne Shot Himself When He Was 9
Game Was On The Dating Gameshow Change Of Heart And His Girl Had A Ch
ange Of Heart
(True, do a google image search, there are pictures floating around)
Jay and Mase had a little beef. Supposedly it was a misunderstanding.
Mase got at them on his opening track on Harlem World.
Jay got at him on “imaginary player” vol. 1.
Nas was suppose to be on “CAN I LIVE PT 1″ by Jay-z….Nas didnt show up at last minute and Reasonable Doubt had was dead-lined for the next day….So Jay-Z had to hurry up and WRITE the 2nd Verse of it in 20 minutes and record it by himself….Alot of people say this was the beginning of a long standing feud
Style’s P Attacked Puffy with Chair…(Security saved his ass)
Beanie Sigel knocked out Gillie the Kid on South street in front of Whole Cash Money crew when the NBA all star game was there
NAS wrote “MIAMI” for Will Smith
2Pac was ready to sign Big Daddy Kane to his label Makaveli Records.
(Heard this more than once)
2Pac took ballet.
AZ was in one of Jay-Z’s videos.
Tigger from Rap City’s the basement as well as Mystikal where cheerleaders in high school
(I want to say there was a picture of Tigger as a Cheerleader floating around the net)
Cash Money Records was started from dope money back in 92′
It is rumored that Baby had Cash Money Artist Yella Boy killed after he pistol wiped Baby.
Mannie Fresh been DJing since 1987, him, Mia X, and KLC and a crew called NYC Inc.
(he also did several albums with Gregory D, one in 87, another in 89 or 90 and I think a third one)
Lil Wayne was signed to CMR at the age of 10, and him and BG(than called Lil Doogie) was in a group called the B.G.’z.
ESCAPE” by Whodini was the first Hip-Hop platinum selling album 1984
(Thought Run DMC was always credited with the first platinum selling album)
“The BREAKS” by Kurtis Blow was the first hip-hop Gold single
Chuck D declined an offer from Def Jam cause he said he was to old to rap.
(It’s in the Russell Simmons book)
Big Daddy Kane while in High School challenged Kool Moe Dee in a battle but Moe Dee refused him.
Roxanne Shante asked Moe Dee to ghost write her a battle rhyme against MC LYTE
Teddy Riley produced “The Show” for doug e fresh and slick rick
Scarface, Bushwick and willie D are not the Original Ghetto Boys.
(True, Johnny C, Raheem, Bushwick and Reddy Red were the original ones)
Marley Marl brought producers to the forefront as superstars in hip-hop
Melle Mel was the MC on Chaka khans “I feel for you”
The MESSAGE went Gold in 21 days
In 1983, Darren “Buffy, the Human Beat Box” Robinson won a talent contest at Radio City Music Hall thanks to his talent for using his mouth to recreate Hip Hop rhythms and a variety of sound effects. News spread, and Beatboxing was brought to a wide audience. Buffy was followed by Doug E Fresh
the RZA created his Bobby Digital persona when on a PCP high. He started talking to himself, believing he was talking to Bobby Digital
Kanye West was born in Atlanta.
Rappers Oringinal Rap Names
Big Moon Dog – Big Pun
Chill-O-Ski – Busta Rhymes
Kid Wizard – Rakim
MC Love Child – Q Tip
MC New York – 2Pac
Paul Juice – Large Professor
Eminem was goin’ to be a member of the Outsidaz.
Grimm Reaper frrm the Gravediggaz was a original member of Stetsasonic.
Slum Village original name was Senepod (dopeness backwards)
Havoc & Prodigy stole they names from the westcoast rappers South Central Cartel (Havok & Prodoje)
Eve is the one who snitched on Foxy Brown wit DMX, leading to Kurupt leaving her and throwin’ disses at X.
Young Buck appeared on a local Detroit group album (Street Lordz) before he got with G-Unit.
Holocaust/Warcloud (from the Black Knights) got kicked out of Wu-Tang’s westcoast group The Black Kinghts cause he beat up RZA’s brother (9th Prince from Killarmy)
The intro to Can It Be All So Simple was a real incident. Ghost did get shot.
ODB got shot in the stomach in Brooklyn for tryin’ to rob someone.(look at the scar on his stomach in his old video)
Raekwon,Meth,Ghost,Nas, AZ all talk that 5% God Body stuff and all sniff coke or had done it in the past.
Cash Money was actually Ja Rule’s click name
(true, I remember being confused by this and the other Cash Money in the old Source mags)
LL Cool J & Rakim use to hang with big drug dealers in Harlem such as Rich Porter &
Alpo (check the F.E.D.S magazine)
Common was in a gang…the 4 Corner Hustler’s which is Pepo like VL’s
Twista & Crucial Conflict are also gang members
Rhymefest wrote Jesus Walks for Kanye
(I thought this was some large plot to gain Rhymefest publicity when he was trying to get his shine one)
DJ Pooh (from the 1st Friday movie) was out way back in the 80′s with King T
(Listen to “Act A Fool”, Pooh is mentioned all over the album. He is also in the “Bass” video)
a Wu-Tang Clan member girlfriend song the chorus on Cher Che La Ghost
Power from the Wu-Tang camp gave them money to record they demo. He was a big drug dealer hence the name Supreme Team.
Mystikal is near 40 and was in the Gulf War in the 90′s (a real No Limit soilder)
(He was in the first Gulf War, that’s documented)
Vinnie of Naughty By Nature is first cousins with Mike Tyson
Mos Def was an actor before he was a rapper
Only a few MCs wrote their own rhymes in NWA.
Masta Killa punched a reporter for making fun of Wu.
Redman and Dead Prez graduated from college.
Before GZA, ODB had the name “Genius.” This was way before GZA’s 91 debut.
Members of Onyx were barbers before they became rappers.
RZA was charged with murder before 36 Chambers. He was released from lack of evidence
Kool Keith was in the hospital for mentally ill
Supernatural, the incredible freestyle master lost a battle with C-Rayz Walz
Gravediggaz was formed because of them 4 frustrated MCs getting rejected from record labels.
De La Soul were pissed at people calling them Hip Hop Hippies, so they went and released the album De La Soul Is Dead. Heard this on VH1.
The 9th member of the Wu was going to be picked from Masta Killa and Killah Priest. Masta Killa wrote rhymes all night, but Priest fell asleep too early. The next morning, he was awakened by Masta’s Da Mystery of Chessboxin’ verse.
50 Cent made his first official appearance in hip hop as a guest in Onyx’s Shut em Down album. He was featured on the song “React.”
Cappadonna taught Deck how to rap.
ptunes produced the song “Rumpshaker” and Pharrell wrote Teddy
Andre’ 3000 drew the cover for Outkast’s Aquemini album
-LL Cool J and Kool Moe Dee came to blows one night backstage.
-Freddie Foxxx put a gun in Benzino’s mouth on the Flavor Unit tour bus, because Benzino would not stop talking **** about what a thug he was
-”The bridge is over” was a Marley Marl beat that Krs One and Scott La Rock found in a studio.
-2pac was robbed and shot by some of Supreme’s boys.
-”I got a story to tell” was vaguelly based on a real life incident Biggie had when he was slipping pipe to John Starks’ woman.
-Paul C was murdered by his wife and his brother.
-Showbiz has almost been sent upstate for attempted murder twice.
-Eric. B beat down Large Professor and ran Kool G. Rap out of New York to Arizona after ‘G. Rap revealed Large Pro produced most of the beats Eric B was supposed to have done on the Eric B. & Rakim albums and “wanted dead or alive”.
-Biz Markie produced most of EPMD’s first album.
-Ghostface, Superb and their team beat down and robbed 50 Cent and Tony Yayo after 50′s dis tracks.
-Johnny Juice did all Terminator X’s cuts on the Public Enemy albums.
Kool Keith met Godfather Don outside some industry event that both of them weren’t allowed entry to. They snuck in through a back window and then hung out for the next month or so recording the ‘Don produced tracks on “the 4 horsemen” and, of course, all the classic Cenobites tracks.
-Just Ice was a prime suspect in a murder case.
-Just Ice turned up in Queens on Poet’s block after the two Rockwell Noel & The Poet tracks dissing Krs One, Red Alert and Ms. Melodie with a shotgun and waited for Poet to come out. Needless to say, Poet stayed in the crib that day.
-DJ Ready Red was kicked out of Geto Boys and shafted by J. Prince because of his lack of melanin.
-Alpo, Fritz, the original 50 Cent from Ft Greene and various other notorious hustlers/killers from the legendary Paid In Full Posse were in the crew shots on “paid in full” and “follow the leader”.
-Rakim recorded a dis cut aimed at ‘Kane for “let the rhythm hit ‘em” and had a verse on the title track itself aimed at him. ‘Kane heard about this and called Rakim to squash it and Rakim went on to scrap the track and remove the verse.
-Eric B. did security for Mike Tyson throughout much of the 90′s.
-A young Fat Joe and his boys Tony Montana(R.I.P) and Charlie Rock L.D were one of the top two crack crews in the Bronx in the mid 80′s and bringing in thousands of $$$$ per day.
-Q Tip got fuked up so bad by one of the members of Wrexx N Effect that he lost partial sight in one of his eyes.
-Nas came incredibly close to being on the Large Pro produced Kool G Rap, Xtra P, Freddie Foxxx and Ant posse cut “money in the bank” as he was always hangin’ around Eric B.’s studio but had gone to pick up some weed with a chick so they let the Ant kid on there instead.
- Main Source (sans Large Pro) ran up in the Wild Pitch offices with machetes looking to behead MC Serch (then working as an A&R for the label) after a West Coast promotional tour went ****ty. MC Serch got wind that they were coming and escaped by crawling over the partial walls for his office and jetting out the back door.
- Grimm was supposed to be on “Live at the Barbecue” but he was arrested on the way to the studio.
-Rza and Killah Sin and another fam member went to see 50 perform after How To Rob and 50 got wind of them being there and dipped backstage and didn’t perform.
-Redman Smacked Prodigy around the time Hell On Earth was out b/c he was dissing Keith and Def Squad.
-A member of Wu got jumped at Suge’s club in Las Vegas and Pac didn’t like the way it went down and told Suge to squash the beef and he agreed outta respect.
-When Nas came to Boston around 94/95 somebody in RSO Crew (possibly Benzino) walked up to Nas and sonned him by knocking his baseball cap off of his head.
-Freddie Foxxx went to Landspeed records like 200 deep in order to get the money they owed him.
-Kool Herc was shot around 78 or something.
-Grandmaster Caz wrote Rappers Delight.
-Pharrel use to carry records around for Teddy Riley.
-Benzino forced Mays to give him part ownership of the source. There are legends of Benzino and his people tying up Mays in his own closet.
-Benzino actually one of the main reasons why Boston had such a small homicide rate in the late 90′s, the Feds put UC’s on every block and had a lot crazy ish going on so Benzino got a lot of the heads of the bigger gangs together to unite so that not everyone get locked up. That saw the murder lessen and the Boston police taken credit for “doing away with crime in a big city”.
-Freddie Foxxx did put Benzino in check on tour with the Flava Unit. Benzino was acting up and Foxxx pulled something out.
-The entire city of Boston was blacklisted back in the day by the industry due to crowds and Boston rappers and thugs attending shows just to cause problems. Every rapper from Audio Two to Biggie had either a bottle smashed across their head on stage or their show cancelled due to a shooting. To this day very few rappers do shows in the Boston hoods because of it.
-MF Grimm was not only suppose to be on Live at the BBQ, but his joint with Kool G Rap or 4, 5, 6 was suppose to be the lead single but he was arrested again and G Rap went with the joint with Nas.
-Grimm also admitted that he came in third at the World Supremecy battle in 93, losing to SuperNat who won but that he was also involved in a shooting earlier in the day.
-Mf Grimm was held on trial for the murder of a cop.
-Everyone in CashMoney has done at least 2 years in prison I believe.
-A boston beatboxer by the name of A-Train is said to have beaten BizMarkie, Dana Dane, and K-solo in a battle back in 88.
-Jay-z was told by Scarface to change Reasonable Doubt because he actually named names of dealers.
-Fat Joe gave Guru a place to live for awhile.
-Guru didnt leave boston in the best of terms which is why the early of stages of his carrear boston did not play a big part. Gang Starr originally started in Boston and had a few emcees in it. Guru left for NY and took the name without people knowing.
-Rakim was still in high school when paid in full dropped.
-JT the bigga Figga returned Nas chain to him when it got stolen in cali
-suge beating the sh*t out of snoop’s/ dre homies cause they were using that phone that harry o had an exclusive phone line… and the dudes saying saying to suge “hey we roll wit dr. dre”! first sign of dre holding no weight
-LL Cool J was cool with Alpo and many other rappers had drug ties then.
-Tupac did have some of his enemies killed.
-Eazy-E was from a very middle class family so was Ice cube they weren’t thugs
-Some people in Death Row got raped in the building.
-Suge doesnt like game because he expose some of Death Row business (stuff about Harry-O) and because he is not really blood.
-The reason Sheek wasn’t around much after LOX split from Bad boy cause he was clearing up cases he had.
-The real reason Mase left hip hop & Harlem is because of heavy extortion, not an epiphany from god